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« Odgovori #120 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 19:57 »
ocito nikad nisi igrao UW na HM ili samo na NM treba ti samo 3 sata da dođeš do bosa i svaki potez ekipe mora biti kordiniran i unaprije isplaniran jer jedna greska wipe.

Sad u zadnje vrijeme anet nezeli nerfati SC ali to je samo da bude ljudima lakse skupiti hom bodove s cime se osobno neslazem ali ima dosta noobova koje je GW2 privukao koji nikad nebi zavrsili inace.

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« Odgovori #121 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 20:13 »
ocito nikad nisi igrao UW na HM ili samo na NM treba ti samo 3 sata da dođeš do bosa i svaki potez ekipe mora biti kordiniran i unaprije isplaniran jer jedna greska wipe.

Sad u zadnje vrijeme anet nezeli nerfati SC ali to je samo da bude ljudima lakse skupiti hom bodove s cime se osobno neslazem ali ima dosta noobova koje je GW2 privukao koji nikad nebi zavrsili inace.


Ja nikada nisam igrao GW ali nisam to bio niti željan kada sam vidio loše kritike za tu igru po MMO forumima i komentare ljudi koji su igrali,   a inače u WoW sam bio hardcore raider dugo i iskusio SWP u BC prije nerfa i ubio KJ.
Tribute to one of the most memorable characters in the games Loghain Mac Tir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNpBDjZIvk

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« Odgovori #122 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 21:12 »
najbolje mi je kad kaze lose kritike za GW a GW jedna od najprodavanijih MMO igara ikad jos malo pa ce 7 miliona biti a kad kazes kritike pretpostavljam da mislis na WoW fanbojeve. GW ima jedan od najboljih PvP sistema i MMO svijetu i to je cinjenica a PvE je vise nego solidan. Uostalom GW je uvijek bio igra za one igrace koji su zeljeli pokazat vjestinu u PvP a ne koji armor imaju.

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« Odgovori #123 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 21:42 »
a inače wow je jako skillna igra. nije lako pratit sve te helt barove. sad sam mislio logejnu objasnit neke stvari, al neda mi se vodit "argumentirane rasprave" s njim.

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« Odgovori #124 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 21:56 »
a inače wow je jako skillna igra. nije lako pratit sve te helt barove. sad sam mislio logejnu objasnit neke stvari, al neda mi se vodit "argumentirane rasprave" s njim.

WoW je imao faza kad je tražio skill i bez uloženog truda i skilla nije uopče bilo šansi doći do određenih rajdova,  jel ti znaš da je SWP u BC uspjelo vidjeti samo 20 % od svih WoW igrača .

Toliko o skillu a baš i nisam nikada čuo da je  Arena.Net  imao nešto slično tome u GW.
Tribute to one of the most memorable characters in the games Loghain Mac Tir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNpBDjZIvk

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« Odgovori #125 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:16 »
jel ti znaš da 1% dota igrača ima klan?

kakve sad to jebene veze ima sa skillom. nemoj bit naporan, dosadan si sa svojim kvazi argumentima.

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« Odgovori #126 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:19 »
ocito nikad nisi igrao UW na HM ili samo na NM treba ti samo 3 sata da dođeš do bosa i svaki potez ekipe mora biti kordiniran i unaprije isplaniran jer jedna greska wipe.

Sad u zadnje vrijeme anet nezeli nerfati SC ali to je samo da bude ljudima lakse skupiti hom bodove s cime se osobno neslazem ali ima dosta noobova koje je GW2 privukao koji nikad nebi zavrsili inace.


Ja nikada nisam igrao GW ali nisam to bio niti željan kada sam vidio loše kritike za tu igru po MMO forumima i komentare ljudi koji su igrali,   a inače u WoW sam bio hardcore raider dugo i iskusio SWP u BC prije nerfa i ubio KJ.

nije u redu kritizirati nešto što nisi probao. gw zna biti itekako težak. npr. UW HM je toliko težak da sam u 3 godine igranja prešao samo jedanput. Bez puno vježbanja, timske igre, čak je vrlo poželjno team speak koristiti da bi se prešlo.
« Zadnja izmjena: 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:21 Zeus_CM »

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« Odgovori #127 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:20 »
jel ti znaš da 1% dota igrača ima klan?

kakve sad to jebene veze ima sa skillom. nemoj bit naporan, dosadan si sa svojim kvazi argumentima.


Kakve veze imaju clanovi sa zahtjevnošču određenog contenta osim činjenice da su samo najbolji mogli doć uopče u fazu u BC -  SWP da dođu i progressuju u takvom okruženju ,   manje više u WoW-u su svi ljudi u guildovima a opet je samo 20 % njih najboljih od 11 milijuna ljudi - ukupne brojke pretplatnika uspjelo progressati i vidjeti takav content.
Tribute to one of the most memorable characters in the games Loghain Mac Tir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNpBDjZIvk

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« Odgovori #128 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:23 »
ma dok imas pravu opremu nema toga sta u WoW neozes preci druga je stvar sto 80% igraca nema vremena ni volje uloziti truda potrebnog da se ta oprema nabavi sto i nije cudno kad za svaki dio opreme moras grindat ko kreten.

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« Odgovori #129 : 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:27 »
ma dok imas pravu opremu nema toga sta u WoW neozes preci druga je stvar sto 80% igraca nema vremena ni volje uloziti truda potrebnog da se ta oprema nabavi sto i nije cudno kad za svaki dio opreme moras grindat ko kreten.

Vidiš tvoje mišljenje se u ovome razlikuje od mišljenja većine WoW igrača a na svakom serveru ćeš naći hrpe rajding guildova što govori dovoljno samo za sebe da WoW igrači itekako vole rajding.

A kao drugo imali su na kraju skoro svi opremu tada tko je bio rajder iz BT a samo 20 % igrača je uspjelo nešto napraviti u SWP.
« Zadnja izmjena: 05. Prosinac, 2011., 22:29 Loghain »
Tribute to one of the most memorable characters in the games Loghain Mac Tir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNpBDjZIvk

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« Odgovori #130 : 06. Prosinac, 2011., 08:55 »
renjer probaj igrat lotro pa ces vidjet :) nisu lagane istance kako ti pricas :)

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« Odgovori #131 : 06. Prosinac, 2011., 10:36 »
niko nije reko da su lagane ali da su nesto teze od elitnih podrucja u GW pa nisu

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« Odgovori #132 : 06. Prosinac, 2011., 11:42 »
renjer probaj igrat lotro pa ces vidjet :) nisu lagane istance kako ti pricas :)

igro sam do morije, onda sam jednostavno izgubio volju.

kad bi imo vremena možda bi opet krenuo igrat, al kad ju igram samo razmišljam o tome kolko tu izgubljenog potencijala ima :(

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Vujkan

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« Odgovori #133 : 06. Prosinac, 2011., 14:16 »
vjeruj dosta toga se promijenilo :) moras probat natrag :)

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« Odgovori #134 : 06. Prosinac, 2011., 16:55 »
Mmm jedan interesantan osvrt na GW2  od GW igrača


http://teamquitter.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=27150


Nekoliko stvari koje upadaju u oči :


- They didn’t remove the holy trinity of tanking damage, healing damage, and dealing damage in Guild Wars 2. They consolidated it.


- Its not GW -  they abandoned good from that game  along with the bad when they decided to start fresh, and the result is a game that feels less like a sequel and more like a standalone title.



-Elite skills-  are predominantly repetitive and chaotic. They interrupt the flow of combat by offering dramatic surges in power that call for dramatic responses in power. They often make an engagement one-sided- ( izgleda kao win skill koji može odlučiti ishod borbe)




- Illusion of choice

You can refute the profession overlap or the neglect of good ol’ Guild Wars, but you cannot refute the fact that Guild Wars 2 is trying to sell you the illusion of choice.

When you choose a weapon, you’re choosing five skills that cannot be changed. You cannot change the location of the skills on your bar, nor what they do. You cannot remove or replace a skill you don’t like or a skill the functions sub-optimally. You’re stuck with a build someone else has designed for you. That’s so unlike Guild Wars, which is a real, quantifiable problem
The choice of weapon in Guild Wars 2 is going to be dominated by which sets offer the best performance. You may not be able to choose the style you want because of a single undesirable skill that you are powerless to change.


There are four attributes in Guild Wars 2 that all affect your effectiveness in combat: Power or damage, Precision or the chance to score a critical hit,
There will be a best way to allocate points, and that will be the most efficient path to victory. Sure you can “choose” to not allocate your points that way, but you’ll be choosing to handicap yourself




- Equipment
Your gear modifies your attributes, so look up.





- You Fight the Controls
Guild Wars 2 has more dimensions of control than any other game in the genre, which is largely the result of being able to move while you activate abilities. You have to target opponents, rotate your camera, move your character, interact with the environment (jump over a fence, push a button) and activate skills all at the same time.

In total there are 19 unique buttons you will be to be using at any one moment just to move around and use abilities: 1-0, W, A, S, D, the right mouse button, left mouse button, the scroll wheel, plus hotkeys for dodge, reverse direction and reverse camera.
This total isn't counting target navigation buttons like Next Target, Call Target, Target Previous, Closest Target, Priority Target, etc. Each of these dimensions is familiar, but Guild Wars 2 requires you to interact with each one simultaneously.


Most FPS games will lock aiming and the camera movement into a single dimension (your cross-hair is also the direction your camera is facing). It is difficult to get used to this new Guild Wars 2 system. You often have to sacrifice movement to aim abilities, or sacrifice camera movement for character movement




- Targeting is a Nightmare
Say you’ve mastered every dimension of control and boast an actions-per-minute score in the hundreds. You’re ready to use your skills to the best of your ability. You’ve got your favorite build, you jump into a match, and then you encounter indistinguishable enemies of greatly varying sizes and shapes, plus pets, minions, and trinkets like repair kits, turrets, or destructible wooden carts…in 3D!

The sheer quantity of targetable objects combined with the lack of visual differentiation for each and then complex terrain upon which you encounter those targets not only interfere with tab targeting but magnify issues associated with the game’s automatic targeting.


Imagine a guy on a hill above you that you really want to teleport up to. You rotate your camera to reveal a sliver of terrain atop the hill that you can click on, target that location with your ability, then all goes well until your target disjoints your ability mid-activation and the game automatically redirects you into a pet dog


When an entire profession is designed around the use of trinkets, when Necromancers can have six or more minions at once, when every Ranger has a pet, and when maps are filled with secondary objectives and an interactive environment, auto-targeting should be optional or removed so skills are not wasted on undesirable targets unintentionally



- Aiming
Targeting AoE skills in three dimensions is also problematic. You have to be able to get your camera a certain angle in order to make sure the skill gets off and many times this just ends with you using a skill in a way you never intended





- Monotonous Skill Design
The feeling of monotony encroaches too quickly due to an abundance of simple, repeated effects.
There are not enough advantages or disadvantages for timing, aiming, and/or chaining skills we’re stuck with skills that predominantly don’t cost anything but time and have very similar activation costs.

Changing how some of the skills behave can put some of the elements like positioning, recognition, and anticipation back into the mix making it much more fulfilling without adding much complexity

Unfortunately, we’re stuck with skills that predominantly don’t cost anything but time and have very similar activation costs

It feels as if activating skills as they are available is the most efficient way to use this set, rather than relying on timing, aiming, coordination, positioning, or using skills in a certain order

There is little you can do to react to the actions of your opponent or threaten your opponent into responding to your actions , an experienced player will be nearly as threatening as a novice player.

Costs
With the removal of energy, most skills lack an immediate cost.




« Zadnja izmjena: 06. Prosinac, 2011., 18:17 Loghain »
Tribute to one of the most memorable characters in the games Loghain Mac Tir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jNpBDjZIvk

 

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